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> <channel><title>Comments on: Capitalism, Socialism, and Libertarianism</title> <atom:link href="http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/</link> <description>Property - Prosperity - Peace</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:51:27 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Reply to Left-Libertarians on &#8220;Capitalism&#8221;</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-331</link> <dc:creator>Reply to Left-Libertarians on &#8220;Capitalism&#8221;</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 05:20:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-331</guid> <description>[...] posts Left-Libertarians Admit Opposition to “Capitalism” is Substantive and Capitalism, Socialism, and Libertarianism stirred up the left-libosphere&#8211;see posts by &#8220;Brainpolice&#8221; (most lefties like to [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] posts Left-Libertarians Admit Opposition to “Capitalism” is Substantive and Capitalism, Socialism, and Libertarianism stirred up the left-libosphere&#8211;see posts by &#8220;Brainpolice&#8221; (most lefties like to [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Left-Libertarians Admit Opposition to &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; is Substantive</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-251</link> <dc:creator>Left-Libertarians Admit Opposition to &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; is Substantive</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-251</guid> <description>[...] An example of those with a more semantic or strategic concern would be Sheldon Richman, who is concerned about the &#8220;baggage&#8221; associated with the word, which will hamper our getting our pro-property [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An example of those with a more semantic or strategic concern would be Sheldon Richman, who is concerned about the &#8220;baggage&#8221; associated with the word, which will hamper our getting our pro-property [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wirkman Virkkala</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-200</link> <dc:creator>Wirkman Virkkala</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 03:13:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-200</guid> <description>Well, I can think of some reasons to continue use:
1. It&#039;s a common term.
2. The common definitions tend to identify private ownership of the means of production and a large labor market. These are essential features of what libertarians defend and praise.
3. There is no single term for an economic system that would easily replace &quot;capitalism.&quot;
As I&#039;ve argued elsewhere, the problem with the term, for everyone, is that it doesn&#039;t mean just one thing. Both laissez faire and dirigisme are forms of capitalism.
Further, though the two forms of capitalism are quite distinct, too often promoters of laissez faire pretend that we are living -- or have recently lived -- in a laissez faire system, while promoters of dirigisme leap on this and blame laissez faire for the failures of the system they themselves prefer. This is a deceitful usage, and I think it is best fought not by abandoning the term capitalism, but always modifying it with laissez faire.
&quot;Free enterprise&quot; is cumbersome. And has been used by vulgar libertarians and witless conservatives too much.
What other alternatives are there?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can think of some reasons to continue use:<br
/> 1. It&#8217;s a common term.<br
/> 2. The common definitions tend to identify private ownership of the means of production and a large labor market. These are essential features of what libertarians defend and praise.<br
/> 3. There is no single term for an economic system that would easily replace &#8220;capitalism.&#8221;</p><p>As I&#8217;ve argued elsewhere, the problem with the term, for everyone, is that it doesn&#8217;t mean just one thing. Both laissez faire and dirigisme are forms of capitalism.</p><p>Further, though the two forms of capitalism are quite distinct, too often promoters of laissez faire pretend that we are living &#8212; or have recently lived &#8212; in a laissez faire system, while promoters of dirigisme leap on this and blame laissez faire for the failures of the system they themselves prefer. This is a deceitful usage, and I think it is best fought not by abandoning the term capitalism, but always modifying it with laissez faire.</p><p>&#8220;Free enterprise&#8221; is cumbersome. And has been used by vulgar libertarians and witless conservatives too much.</p><p>What other alternatives are there?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephan Kinsella</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-199</link> <dc:creator>Stephan Kinsella</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-199</guid> <description>I am not arguing we should use the word as a synonym. I agree we have to be careful if and when we use it to describe an aspect of the economic order of an advanced libertarian society, because of its baggage.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not arguing we should use the word as a synonym. I agree we have to be careful if and when we use it to describe an aspect of the economic order of an advanced libertarian society, because of its baggage.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David J. Heinrich</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-197</link> <dc:creator>David J. Heinrich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-197</guid> <description>The problem with conceding the word &quot;capitalism&quot; is that to do as the previous two commentators are suggesting would effectively be to say, &quot;we are against capitalism&quot; (but in this new definition where capitalism means corporatism). This will lead to all kinds of confusion and problems, and will seed the ground to socialist &quot;libertarians&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with conceding the word &#8220;capitalism&#8221; is that to do as the previous two commentators are suggesting would effectively be to say, &#8220;we are against capitalism&#8221; (but in this new definition where capitalism means corporatism). This will lead to all kinds of confusion and problems, and will seed the ground to socialist &#8220;libertarians&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sheldonfreeassociation.blogspot.com</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-196</link> <dc:creator>sheldonfreeassociation.blogspot.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-196</guid> <description>Given the baggage, &quot;capitalism&quot; requires a positive case for its use. Stephan provides none, so far as I can see. &quot;Seeing nothing wrong&quot; is not an argument. It may be associated with libertarianism, but that may be part of why we don&#039;t persuade many people.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the baggage, &#8220;capitalism&#8221; requires a positive case for its use. Stephan provides none, so far as I can see. &#8220;Seeing nothing wrong&#8221; is not an argument. It may be associated with libertarianism, but that may be part of why we don&#8217;t persuade many people.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Lesson Applied &#187; Two Words for Capitalism</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-186</link> <dc:creator>The Lesson Applied &#187; Two Words for Capitalism</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:52:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-186</guid> <description>[...] offer it to those reasonable people — see, for instance, Stephan Kinsella in his recent essay “Capitalism, Socialism, and Libertarianism” — who wish to keep their terms straight and move beyond semantic disagreement to substantive [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] offer it to those reasonable people — see, for instance, Stephan Kinsella in his recent essay “Capitalism, Socialism, and Libertarianism” — who wish to keep their terms straight and move beyond semantic disagreement to substantive [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike Gogulski</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-183</link> <dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:15:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.libertarianstandard.com/?p=1001#comment-183</guid> <description>It is a frustrating and tiresome debate, but one which I think is still necessary nonetheless. Words have &lt;em&gt;value&lt;/em&gt; to people far and above what we might desire or be able to influence. And it&#039;s an unfortunate fact of our present situation as human creatures that many of our conspecifics attach different values to particular words.
I put this idea forward last year here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nostate.com/2523/liberty-camp-question-what-is-capitalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nostate.com/2523/liberty-camp-question-what-is-capitalism/&lt;/a&gt;
Arto Bendiken&#039;s point in response is particularly apt, in my mind:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Face it: statists have successfully tainted and co-opted “capitalism” just as they did “liberal”. Hayek’s objections in “The Road to Serfdom” notwithstanding, no measure of education and outreach will ever wholly reclaim this contaminated ground on the battlefield of ideas.
Advocating capitalism will continue to be generally perceived as standing for the “exploitation of workers”, for big business and monopolies, for special privileges and government-sanctioned cartels run by “robber barons”. Never mind to what extent these may be mere myths and/or problems ironically endemic to a democratic mixed economy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No matter what the purity or historical or etymological arguments might be, we face a battlefield of ideas, upon which the words we use serve important strategic roles. I will not presume to suggest that the choice of one word over another is the best possible tactic on that field, but will stress that the choice is nonetheless important... and mention, in passing, my own thoughts on the matter.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a frustrating and tiresome debate, but one which I think is still necessary nonetheless. Words have <em>value</em> to people far and above what we might desire or be able to influence. And it&#8217;s an unfortunate fact of our present situation as human creatures that many of our conspecifics attach different values to particular words.</p><p>I put this idea forward last year here: <a
href="http://www.nostate.com/2523/liberty-camp-question-what-is-capitalism/" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.nostate.com/2523/liberty-camp-question-what-is-capitalism/</a></p><p>Arto Bendiken&#8217;s point in response is particularly apt, in my mind:</p><blockquote><p>Face it: statists have successfully tainted and co-opted “capitalism” just as they did “liberal”. Hayek’s objections in “The Road to Serfdom” notwithstanding, no measure of education and outreach will ever wholly reclaim this contaminated ground on the battlefield of ideas.</p><p>Advocating capitalism will continue to be generally perceived as standing for the “exploitation of workers”, for big business and monopolies, for special privileges and government-sanctioned cartels run by “robber barons”. Never mind to what extent these may be mere myths and/or problems ironically endemic to a democratic mixed economy.</p></blockquote><p>No matter what the purity or historical or etymological arguments might be, we face a battlefield of ideas, upon which the words we use serve important strategic roles. I will not presume to suggest that the choice of one word over another is the best possible tactic on that field, but will stress that the choice is nonetheless important&#8230; and mention, in passing, my own thoughts on the matter.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Libertarian Standard</title><link>http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/16/capitalism-socialism-and-libertarianism/#comment-576</link> <dc:creator>Libertarian Standard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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